See http://devgrind.com/tag/programming/page/2/ too see a reasonably famous Agile programmer failing horribly at trying to apply TDD to sudoku in something of a leap-before-you-look style.

Only just signed up to the second Dojo. However I had an idea for a dojo.

Sodoku Solver (same vein as a tic tac toe AI opponent)

Certainly open to another kind of Dojo, albeit with some trepidation. Let’s put our heads together next time to see what might work.

Thanks for the write-up… the next Dojo will be on the 15th October 2009, same place and time. This time we’ll be starting from scratch with the Tic-tack-toe problem we discussed last night.

With an eye to the future and given @tartley’s comments… would you like to present an “other sort” of Dojo..? Perhaps we could discuss it at the next event..?

Nicholas.

I mean to grab you last night and say ‘thanks’ because only the other day I was using your code win32 snippets to read and create Windows shortcut files. Thanks for those!

Incidentally, the ‘other’ sort of dojo that you don’t like the sound of can work well, in my (very limited) experience. Because it is a ‘prepared’ exercise, the demonstrator is leading the dojo through a tightly scripted exercise, and as such can demonstrate good technique, in TDD, in refactoring, ultimately leading to a well-designed solution.

It reminds me in some ways of a talk I have seen you give, in which you used the Python command line to walk the audience through a series of data structure manipulations that showed off some of Python’s nice features. Because you had prepared that carefully and were very familiar with it, it became a very enjoyable showcase of ‘how to do things right’ for the audience.

Best regards,